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  • Mike
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    Howdy - I noticed a discussion about the mirror smashing has begun on the review post; figured I'd relaunch it over here. I find the question of what Jack's current mental state is to be pretty key to the show at this point; here's what I had to say about it in response to Dave & Robin's exchange:

    Strictly on the question of Jack's "sudden" rage, as contrasted to the slow-boiling version that was its forebear in White Rabbit, I think Dave from MA has a point here. Your (Robin's) last sentence there says it all -- can anyone know what's in Jack's mind at this point? My view is that he's been through so much (they all have); who's to say differences we see arent indicitave of changes undergone rather than mere characterological inconsistency?

    As I said below (in the review thread), I see Jack's sudden rage in a very particular context, but however one chooses to see it, I tend not to believe the writers don't mean us to take something from it. That doesn't mean they can do no wrong, though -- I agree Hurley's lack of interest in the source of the numbers is completely insupportable. But I do believe Jack's action there shows a development of some kind.

  • TheTVCritic
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    Hey Mike,

    Thanks for starting the thread, I appreciate it. Just to avoid defending a position that I haven't taken. Here is what I meant in my review about the mirror smashing:

    a) I did not "feel" his rage had been built up to as well as it could have. As in his behaviour in the episode did not make me see his rage as a natural progression and so it felt very sudden. And that suddenness took away from the moment for me.

    That is entirely a TV production criticism. Not a character one.

    b) I have no problem believing that Jack would get that angry. That did not seem out of character.

    What did not help was his lack of curiosity in the lighthouse and how the mirror might work. But Jack has shown a lack of interest in the everything from the hatch, to the barracks to black smoke floating in front of him. So again I don't have a problem with his behaviour except in the wider context of the way "Lost" makes its characters look dim sometimes.

    c) When I liken Jack smashing his father's coffin to smashing the mirrors I am saying something specific. Which is that losing one's father is something any viewer can relate to and so Jack smashing up the coffin had an emotional impact. When combined with being lost on an island and chasing your Dad's ghost around I thought it was a compelling piece of drama.

    When you are trying to demonstrate how someone feels after leaving that island, losing their fiancée, becoming an addict, returning to the island, travelling through time, detonating a nuclear bomb, being beaten at the Temple, trekking across the island and then finding out someone has been spying on you (deep breath)...your emotional state is no longer so clear or relatable. Therefore to me, this had far less impact as a dramatic moment of TV.

    I was not suggesting that Jack, the character, was behaving in an implausible or uninteresting manner.

    Ok. Now that that's out of the way. Mike, can you expand on your theory about why this is a big deal for Jack. And how it will lead to him confronting Jacob in some way...

  • Mike
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    Hi again,

    Happy to do it, Robin. That all clarifies your view a great deal; I entirely understand what you are saying about how the moment worked now. And I can see what you mean about a general lack of curiosity in Jack over the seasons, and this moment fitting into that.

    In all honesty, I'm not sure I can expand much on what I've written about Jack's purpose on the island yet. He seems at this point still to be getting the lay of the land to some extent, which is a bit odd given his familiarity with the island. I can't say much more at this point, other than to me the impetuous mirror-smashing doesn't suggest he's much interested in settling into a comfortable existence as the island's next protector. On the other hand, it could simply have been frustration that will lead to acceptance of that role; who knows. Also, it's entirely possible that whatever the island stroyline holds from here on, Jack doesn't turn out to be the primary agent of its action (maybe he'll become a cliff-side sea-gazing guru of some kind. Kind of doubt it.).

    What it might come down to for me is a sense simply that the conclusions we're seeing sketched out now are too simple and neat to be final. In my mind, if the lives we're seeing in the flash-sideways already in the first few episodes really will be the final conclusions, that would drain the season of much dramatic tension. It would seem remarkably anticlimactic pacing for this show to be providing final conclusions at this point in the season. Similarly, if the island narrative is simply that Jack or some other character is going to settle into the Jacob or MIB role, to me that is remarkably overdetermined at this point. Simply from a dramatic standpoint, I have to expect there to be fundamental conflicts and reversals in the arc of the season (if not in the overall path of the series) still to come, or I will feel this season will have to be judged a remarkably flat end to a dynamic series.

    That's about the best I can do now -- I don't have the content-specific material to flesh that out in terms of the plot elements at this point, it's more driven by a meta/critical sense of what the dramatic narrative requires to be satisfying. But we'll be getting the specifics on it one way or another soon enough...

    Cheers,
    Mike

  • TheTVCritic
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    Yeah I know what you mean. If all we see are people living peacefully in the flashes then it doesn't sound like it would make for fun viewing.

    Then again, perhaps the ironies are going to grow and grow. Perhaps we will see Ben and Locke becoming good friends and Ben encouraging Locke to go see Jack and have surgery. Or perhaps they will all be drawn into something island-related. I just don't know.

    My only sense of it is that each story has been a rather complete emotional journey. As in Jack made peace with his son. Locke made peace with his worry that Helen wanted him to walk again. Kate helped Claire decide to keep Aaron (we assume). Each story seemed like it came to a natural conclusion. That's not to say that we won't see more of Jack or Locke of course. Just that those particular emotional issues appeared to have been settled.

    If that is the case then I would think it odd if the producers then had them all involved in some kind of dramatic, dangerous island related story. Plus we have already seen in the flashforwards the story of these characters trying to get back to the island.

    With the producers specifically pointing out the similarities between this season and season 1, I can't help but lean toward the flash sideways being the final result for these characters. But I have been proven wrong many, many times

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